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Post by muddydragon on Jul 12, 2009 19:28:29 GMT
ok so i was watching animal park (as you do when you no longer have uni work) and they were collecting plantain for their tortoises, said they were a staple food. So it got me thinking obviously its staple due to being a very dark green probably highly nutritious... i wonder if my snails would like it. so i went out and picked some broadleaf plantain, washed thoroughly and gave them some. They had a few nibbles and ate some of it but not vast amounts. so i started to think oh another one of those 'ill eat a bit but im not too keen foods' but decided to keep supplying it anyway for a few days and they did eat some of it then i realised that they were also eating less of their other option foods aswell. Then suddenly it struck me, they normally eat vast amounts of cucmber and lettuce but this plantain is far far darker so maybe they just need less of it to feel full!
anyone else tried this?
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Post by ade on Jul 12, 2009 19:39:39 GMT
I havent tried that but, what you said can be evidenced in the fact that snails kept on a staple diet of Sweet potato eat considerably less than those kept on lettuce/cucumber which of course are low/non caloric foods. It is advised in humans when dieting to eat a large amount of lettuce / cucumber as it is filling and low in calories to the point that very cold cucumber or lettuce is anti caloric because the heat needed to rectify the coldness of the food causes a negative calorie balance. What i mean to say in plain english , its more effort for your body to process the food than there are Kcalories in the food. So thermogenesis plays an important role in all human/ animal food as obviously does the quality and quantity of calories. Sorry , yet again i have rambled on  |
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Post by muddydragon on Jul 12, 2009 19:47:46 GMT
its o.k. i study biology i got the first bit fine ;D no worries it wasn't rambling and.. YAY for another better food source which grows in the garden ;D this furthers the thoughts i've been having on trying mine with sweet potato! will deffinatly get one of those soon! The couple of retics welsh sent me had some sweet potato in with them and they seem to happily munch on that, i really must try the fulicas with it! thankyou |
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Post by feebix on Jul 12, 2009 19:47:58 GMT
Ade, you don`t do plain English !  |
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Post by ade on Jul 12, 2009 20:42:44 GMT
I do apologize all,
Because of the amount of reading and studying i do, I tend to use words that other people dont generally use , i shall henceforth try to speak in a Duudddlllaayyy accent wiv words that yo lot lyke to ere.
Haer waes eadward yuhlgod to cinge on foremon easter daey -- yuk yuk yuk sorry i couldnt resist it. Maybe Dusk can translate it im not sure
Regards
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Post by Dusk on Jul 12, 2009 20:51:36 GMT
That looks like the ongoing adventures of Eadward, king of assorted bits and inclined to wander about the place. Um... 636? Possibly. |
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Post by ade on Jul 12, 2009 21:17:04 GMT
Its old english meaning. here was edward lifted up to king on the first day , i shall not continue it as its fruitess here, but the text goes on to say edward was lifted up to kingship on the first easter day etc and so on with all the typicalities of the time of how great edward is etc. which was all fine and dandy as you had to agree or be sawn in half etc.
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Post by choco on Jul 12, 2009 21:46:55 GMT
ok so i was watching animal park (as you do when you no longer have uni work) and they were collecting plantain for their tortoises, said they were a staple food. So it got me thinking obviously its staple due to being a very dark green probably highly nutritious... i wonder if my snails would like it. so i went out and picked some broadleaf plantain, washed thoroughly and gave them some. They had a few nibbles and ate some of it but not vast amounts. so i started to think oh another one of those 'ill eat a bit but im not too keen foods' but decided to keep supplying it anyway for a few days and they did eat some of it then i realised that they were also eating less of their other option foods aswell. Then suddenly it struck me, they normally eat vast amounts of cucmber and lettuce but this plantain is far far darker so maybe they just need less of it to feel full! anyone else tried this? My wild-caught margies really love plantain fruit when it's been left to ripen for ages. When the skin is practically black on the outside all over, I open it up and feed it to them and they absolutely love it  The African food stalls at Brixton have masses of it as well, super-cheap I've not seen plantain leaves around though or I might try them with those too. |
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Post by muddydragon on Jul 12, 2009 23:18:35 GMT
My wild-caught margies really love plantain fruit when it's been left to ripen for ages. When the skin is practically black on the outside all over, I open it up and feed it to them and they absolutely love it The African food stalls at Brixton have masses of it as well, super-cheap I've not seen plantain leaves around though or I might try them with those too. I'm guessing you're talking about bananas. - my fulica have never been keen on bananas but i may try really ripe ones! ;D i'm actually talking about a different thing you can find growing in your garden a little weed see en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plantagospecifically broadleaf plantain is the one im using |
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Post by crossless on Jul 12, 2009 23:24:23 GMT
My snails like very much broadleaf plantain, it grows quickly so it's easy to pick from same place very son. They r not interested of their seeds, maybe they don't taste as good as leaves.  |
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Post by choco on Jul 12, 2009 23:37:24 GMT
My wild-caught margies really love plantain fruit when it's been left to ripen for ages. When the skin is practically black on the outside all over, I open it up and feed it to them and they absolutely love it The African food stalls at Brixton have masses of it as well, super-cheap I've not seen plantain leaves around though or I might try them with those too. I'm guessing you're talking about bananas. - my fulica have never been keen on bananas but i may try really ripe ones! ;D i'm actually talking about a different thing you can find growing in your garden a little weed see en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plantagospecifically broadleaf plantain is the one im using Ah, gotcha! Yeah it's a different thing I've seen those plants around a lot, but didn't realise they were called plantain as well. I'm talking about cooking plantain rather than the kind of bananas we eat in this country - they are very similar but the plantains are harder with a much more bland taste than bananas, and are generally not eaten raw due to this. They're widely grown and eaten in the areas of Africa where many giant snails are found, so no wonder my wild-caught margies are fond of them They won't touch them when raw and unripe though... they'll only eat them once they've turned very black and over-ripe! |
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Post by crossless on Jul 13, 2009 13:54:56 GMT
Hmmh. Could we speak here plants and mention scientific name of the plant too, 'cos sometimes I'm not personally sure where part of England some plant has different calling names, if I like to tell in some English forum that it's safe to snails and often I don't find from dictionary tranlated world for it so it's safest/easiest to tell the scientific name is too always the same never changes no matter what your mother language is and to avoid misunderstanding. |
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Post by AlienSnail on Jul 13, 2009 14:44:18 GMT
Hmmh. Could we speak here plants and mention scientific name of the plant too, 'cos sometimes I'm not personally sure where part of England some plant has different calling names, if I like to tell in some English forum that it's safe to snails and often I don't find from dictionary tranlated world for it so it's safest/easiest to tell the scientific name is too always the same never changes no matter what your mother language is and to avoid misunderstanding. That's a good idea |
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Post by ade on Jul 13, 2009 14:55:04 GMT
thats what Latin is for > . the never changing language - i agree crossless |
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Post by choco on Jul 13, 2009 15:41:59 GMT
Hmmh. Could we speak here plants and mention scientific name of the plant too, 'cos sometimes I'm not personally sure where part of England some plant has different calling names, if I like to tell in some English forum that it's safe to snails and often I don't find from dictionary tranlated world for it so it's safest/easiest to tell the scientific name is too always the same never changes no matter what your mother language is and to avoid misunderstanding. The plantain fruit I am talking about is Musa paradisiaca |
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